Category: philosophy/religion topics
I'm thru with any and all attempts at either 1) meat free, or 2) eating only meats that have been slaughtered in a prescribed, humane way, kosher is Jewish (probably more strict and exacting), hallal is Muslim. If anyone else wants to try any of these lifestyles, it is your life, but I am finished.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that those so concerned about animal welfare aren't as interested in their fellow humans? For example, not all but certain Hindu majority Indian provinces have notorious female/male imbalances, like 1 female to every 9 males early in life rather than the average 1 female to every 6 males. It is known women 1) abort after ultrasound a female infant, 2) snap her at the neck at birth, or 3) most awful, let her gradually die from neglect. One family willfully neglecting their daughter plans to "try for a boy" soon, and it is known that each successive daughter is less welcome. I cried when I saw the picture of the neglected toddler. Yet if I'm not mistaken these people are largely vegan or at least some form of vegetarian. Great, treat your little girl like crap but don't harm the animals. Since I can't afford to adopt another child, I went out and got a double quarter pounder and a large chocolate shake and ate their 'sacred cows'.
Some years back a liberal rabbi told me a story of an orthodox Jew in Israel who divorced his wife and mother of his nine kids after she got raped returning home from a ritual bath. Husband consulted with his rabbi, and both agree there's no proof this incident wasn't adultery, so divorce was permissible. Yet, these being from the most observant Jewish in that society, most likely both kept kosher. Throw your wife and mother of 9 out but most likely that cow died a humane death and no pork or shellfish products were consumed in the process.
I have stories about hallal that are everything from humorous to tragic. One young woman, dating a Muslim, asked me if I knew of cosmetics or other products that might contain pork, as "Omar is observant and I don't want to get him in contact with pork." What's wrong with this statement? Islam calls for marriage or for letting a woman go, and Omar lives with this woman without marriage, the ol' why take the cow when you can get the milk for free. Me, if he wouldn't marry me we'd have to share a pepperoni lovers' pizza. And I'm sure we've all heard our share of violence against a variety of other human beings, from women to non Muslims, and most likely the perpetrators ate only meat from the most humanely slain animals. I don't know about you guys, but I don't want anything but grocery store meat and ordinary fast food restaurants from here on out.
Ok, first, you should really try and find out why they observe those practices. The ewish and muslim faith's beliefs on what you can and cannot eat have absolutely nothing to do with the way in which it was slaughtered. They don't eat them because it is part of their religious dogma that decries those animals as unclean. Its not that the pig suffered before it died, its that the teachings of their faith say that the animals are unclean and should not be eaten.
I'm no fan of restricting your eating habits also, but if your going to attempt to vaunt against someone's practices, at least make the attempt to know what your talking about.
Now vegans and that kind of thing i agree with you on. They're idiots, especially the ones who refuse to eat cooked foods, that just stupid. The funny thing is watching tests where they try and tell the difference between organic and non-organic, and completely fail.
"...have absolutely nothing to do with the way in which it was slaughtered." Sorry but you're mistaken on this one. The method of slaughter has to do with 1) the animal being stood on its hind quarters to move blood to the surface of the skin 2) slaughter being done with an ABSOLUTELY SMOOTH BLADE, and even one nick is found in the blade, the meat must go to a non kosher butcher so as not to be sold as kosher meat, 3) the slaughter being done on one animal at a time so they're not watching other animals slaughtered in a cruel manner, 4) all blood being removed from the meat, including dehydration with salt, 5) an especially kosher cut of meat called 'glatt' is quite expensive and rare, indicating a rare animal with perfectly smooth lung tissue. The method of slaughter is supposed to ensure no more pain than, say, myself getting dizzy and passing out, only I'm not getting my throat slit. I took a course in Judaism when I was interested & had time, and at one time accepted Islam, so I should know about some practices, and yes it does include forbidding some animals but not others. One guy seemed horrified at witnessing this method of slaughter at a farm up here where you get to pick your own animal to be slaughtered as meat, and I told him, "Honey I think you witnessed either a kosher or halal slaughter, and it's NOTHING compared to slaughter houses with stun guns and what have you." I feel about animals the same way a now former nurse at my doctor's office felt: "I love animals, but they should NOT be considered more important than the lives of humans."
it is more of a religion practice than anything. before they slotter the animal, they need to read a particular verse from the quran and such. it is the whole idea of animal being unclean than anything else. yes, cause of the particular way they slaughtered the animal, it also means that they have particular way to clear the blood, or drain the blood if you like.
as far as vegan goes, most vegan that i come across doing it because of religion or spiritual practice. does that make them to be more holy than those like us who dont? is pretty much in doubt. perhaps i'm wrong but if you ask me, i think, perhaps about 90% of people who practice all this lifestyle are more driven than religion than anything else.
do they seriously care of animal wellfare? i pretty much doubt it.
Yes, it has to do with how the animal is slaughtered, but nothing to do with causing it less pain and suffering. If it did, they would welcome air guns, (side note, its air guns, not stun guns, they don't stun the cows anymore, they kill them outright with a bolt to the head). If you read the first five books of the bible, the five books of moses, or the torah, it tells exactly how to slaughter an animal, how to cure it, how to cook it, and which animals you can and cannot eat. While this list has some gross numerical inaccuracies, (for instance saying that any insect that walks on four legs cannot be eaten. Look it up if you don't believe me), it is still followed by jews to this very day. Kosher salt is called Kosher salt because of just that, its kosher, and you can't slaughter salt.
animal rights activists act out of what they believe is humanity, people who follow religious strictures, act out of faith in a book. While I personally believe both are idiotic, it does not change the difference between the two.
And hunting and eating seals is bad because they are cute, and hunting and eating whales is just evil because they are extinct, even if they are not at all, and in fact the population is so large it is eating up cod and other fish at alarming rates.
When it comes to eating animals some people just suffer this big Disney syndrum and act all idiotic.
I believe that there was some pig disease rampant in biblical times, which made eating pork dangerous to people, hense the need for forbidding it, though I may be wrong about this.
Pork is actually the leanest meat you can get, since all the fat is vissible and can be cut off.
I eat any animal and every animal, as long as they taste good, and I don't care about how humanely it was treated I'm afraid.
The vegan people I have met (and they are not many) seem very overweight and not really healthy. They eat no meat, but lots of cake, so I don't quite get it.
Yet, live and let live, people have their reasons for doing or not doing something, and if those reasons don't harm me, I see no reason for claiming my way is better.
I love sharing a filet of beef with a vegan, more beef for me, and I'll leave their grilled turnip salad alone, no worries.
If it's the same disease, trichina is the parasite, trichinosis the disease, something hogs may carry. The worst I've heard about it in modern times was in the '80's, a high school home ec teacher came out and said, "If you must eat hot dogs, at least don't microwave 'em as microwaves don't provide adequate heat to kill the parasite." I guess if you either boil 'em in water or broil 'em in the oven the heat kills this parasite, but 2 minutes in the microwave forget it.
Reasons for veganism don't harm me, but I'm in the dark as to what they plan to do clothing wise. Would they really attend a job interview in canvas shoes carrying their resume/portfolio in an earth family tote bag? I suppose if the interview was in an organic shop, maybe. Also, the research department head when I was a government employee told me of a study in India where some moms were vegans, others may have eaten something like seafood, eggs, or some other kind of animal protein. The vegan moms had babies that, as a rule, didn't form as many nephrons, or kidney cells, and with kidneys that don't fully develop you're possibly talking about hypertensive adults later, but if someone isn't pregnant and wants to give it a try, what the hey? Someone recommended www.beyondvegetarianism.com on a similar thread which talked about stuff like those overweight/sickly vegetarians.
I'm not kosher or halal but we do eat organic food. Where you notice the biggest difference in taste is the meat milk and eggs. Most grocery store meat is full of hormones antibiotics and other bad things we shouldn't be eating. I notice the meat cooks better doesn't shrink as much and is far leaner than anything you get from the grocery. I have also noticed you don't eat as much and feel satisfied longer. This is true for the milk and eggs too. For fruit and veggies it's harder to tell but we notice a difference with farm fresh stuff.Just because it says oorganic doesn't make it true. We've weaned off the regular grocer hard as that was and only buy from our health food store. I cook kosher meals on jewish holidays and do it up thoroughly. It's more exacting and fiddly than the most precise organic recipe. You'll bust your ass any way you go so take your pick and have at it. I too have noticed the disconect between animal rights activists and human wellfare. If the cows ate grass instead of grain we could eat hamburgers to our hearts benefit and delight. I love all gods creatures right next to my mashed potatos. Eating local and organic is a conscious choice on our part to help Bruce loose weight and so our boy grows up happy healthy and strong, yes as a proud carnivore. Grill em up in style feed them well before hand and everyones happy. Tiffany
http://www.biblelife.org/myths.htm
PETA = People eating tasty animals! Good work, Tiffanyy! My philosophy as well about God's creatures next to the mashed potatoes! Proud to be a carnivour!
I actually have a T-Shirt that says, "I believe there is a place for all gods creatures... right next to my mashed potatoes".
Too much rabbit food makes one want to run down a vegan, spear it, roast it and eat it.
If meat's so bad for ya, how come the Inuit and native tribes of North America mostly ate meat?
I'm not full on paleo though if I lived by myself I might be, but a good rare steak, and a good barefoot run, both very good things indeed.
Yup. LOL. And I'm noticing more and more celebrities are going the Vegan way.
guess that depends on the celebrities. Some are going Paleo: barefoot running, meat-eating, no sugar, etc.
I like the paleo concepts of free thought and carnage consumption: I don't practice well since I still eat the American diet of carbs etc., but have switched from running shoes to barefoot and shirtless when working out, very underrated.
Next time a plant-eater complains about your consumption of flesh, ask how they can tear viciously into the uterus of a plant (fruit).
Oh, and as an aside, strict herbivores make the best food.
* meaning they *are* the best food
mmm canibalism. Meat is so gooood. The best part of most meals is the meat. Even if you don't season it, there's nothing better than a nice tender juicy fatty piece of meat! And keep the skin and bones in please thanks :).